After Ruling, Hispanics Flee an Alabama Town
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Respond to another student's ideas-- agree, disagree, or add to what they have written in some way. Do not merely restate or parrot their statement. As always, be respectful and academic.
- Pick out one quote that was significant to you. Explain it and why it was significant.
- What biases did you have, for or against the subject, while reading this text? When did you become aware of it and did it hinder your evaluating the text in an objective way?
- What ideas were you unfamiliar with from the text and how did you approach that information?
- Pose one question you have about the text.
- Attempt to answer someone else's question.
- Respond to another student's ideas-- agree, disagree, or add to what they have written in some way. Do not merely restate or parrot their statement. As always, be respectful and academic.
1. With the quote on page 2, passage 7. Where it says “Backers of the law acknowledge that it might be disruptive in the short term, but say it will prove effective over time.” How long will it really take for it to be proven effective? What if it doesn’t work? What if more problems arise with this law? I know that no one can really predict the future and find out if the law will really work. But with the way this law is affecting Hispanics over at Alabama, maybe it will be spread around the states in the US. Hispanics are a part of a huge community in the United States. With the outcome of this law making Hispanics flee from a town to move into another place, what if it gradually increase from a small town, to a city, to a whole state? There is a lot of questions that are risen with this article. But its bringing fear to Hispanics, and it might end up bad for the community, bad for economy also. We work. Workplaces should at least appreciate the fact that they found employees to help their companies.
ReplyDelete-Miguel Pecho
2. I am really against the subject in this article, having to ask us for immigrations papers when they know for the fact that most Hispanics aren’t illegal. It’s really just a quick and easy way to find out if latinos are illegal or legally here, and make it easier to arrest them and also deport them. I became aware of this at the first page of the article at the fifth paragraph. When the judge upheld the parts of the law, saying that it was “allowing state and local police to ask for immigration papers during routine traffic stops, rendering most contracts with illegal immigrants unenforceable and requiring schools to ascertain the immigration status of children at registration time.” Routine traffic stops? Just to ask us for our immigration papers when most of us don’t have? It’s pretty stupid. It did hinder my evaluating because it made me realize that it seems that after all these years, we are still treated like lesser citizens in the eyes of some people. We are not really fairly treated and they really just want us to get out so more “American” people can get jobs instead of illegal immigrants
ReplyDelete-Miguel Pecho
1.The quote I chose is when the governor says “the strongest immigration law in this country.” This is significant because it shows the level of extreme certain governors will go to in order to regulate certain factors in this case Latinos. It is also significant because this statement is about the law allowing state and local police to ask for immigration papers during routine traffic stops. This just shows the extremity of how far Alabama will go in order to get rid of immigrants. It is also significant because it says that later the Justice Department and coalition of civil right groups tried to fight it.
ReplyDeleteNarine Medford
2.I am against the subject for so many reasons. One of the simpler reasons is just because the writer is basically talking about the banning of immigrants from land. If this was to be regulated throughout the US then we would probably have an extreme rebellion. It doesn’t make a whole lot of sense in my opinion to get rid of people without giving them a chance to defend themselves or perhaps earn their stay here. I think that they came here for the opportunity and should be given a chance to have it. Mostly what I disagree with is that because of the banning of immigrants the students have also dropped out, which is a shame.
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3. I didn’t understand what State Senator Arthur Orr was meaning when he said it’s going to take some time for the local labor pool to develop again. He also says but outside labor shouldn’t come in and just beat them every time on cost and put them out of business. I approached it by considering what the topic was about again. I now believe it means that he was talking about the fact that due to the new law we have lost many jobs and we are trying to get jobs back. It also means that even though we need more people to take the jobs doesn’t mean were going to get immigrants.
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4.I would like to know about the decision he governor made. I would like to know why did he make the law in the first place?
ReplyDelete6.I agree with Miguel’s statement in his second response. I believe that the laws are very unjust in the state of Alabama. I also agree with what he says about citizens being treated less because of their standings. This is outrageous that only Citizens can get jobs as opposed to immigrants there. This just means to me that not all states are fair and some people really do make crude decisions without thinking about it. His passage also showed me that we are majorly Latino and in fact we could be next to be hit by a crude law.
ReplyDelete1.A text I found significant in this article was probably the last paragraph on page 1. “By Monday afternoon, 123 students had withdrawn from the schools in this small town in the northern hills, leaving behind teary and confused classmates.” I think it’s really sad how these students are basically forced to give up their education because they are forced to leave the area where they live due to their immigration status. I personally don’t think it’s correct to treat immigrants the way that they are being treated. On the contrary, these people should be offered help to fix their immigration status, because they came to America to have a better life. It’s really sad to see that someone so young can have a bright future and have more opportunities in America than they would in their own country. These people should be offered help not be forced to leave their homes because they don’t have documents.
ReplyDelete2.I am completely against this subject I honestly don’t think that immigrants should be treated this way. I find it very disturbing that the police was given permission to stop cars to ask for papers. I don’t think that the need for documents should keep people away from having an education and a job. Judge Blackburn does not realize that her decision will have an effect on everyone not just the immigrants. Such as, the economy will be affected, we would end up in a worse economic status than we already do. Reason being these people are really hard workers and they struggle a lot to have a better life or provide their family a better life. My dad came to this country and he worked really hard to provide us with food and a home. We didn’t have documents, and it took about 9 years for us to finally get our permanent resident cards. The thing is my mom had to go through many obstacles to provide us with these documents. My dad passed away 3 days before our immigration appointment to get our resident cards. This led to our case being dropped because my dad passed away. My mom struggled and suffered so much because of our situation. A couple of years after my dad passed away my mom fell in love and got remarried and her husband managed to give us documents. We were truly blessed after everything that had happened. I know I wouldn’t wish this experience on anybody, I think immigrants should be offered help not prevented from having an education or a job.
3.Something I was unfamiliar with on the article was why “even fully documented Hispanic workers are leaving.” When I realized that I wasn’t unfamiliar with this point I highlighted the sentence and tried to analyze the sentence. I started thinking about reasons why they would leave their homes even if they have documents. I came up with the conclusion that they were probably scared that even though they had papers they could still be taken to jail for any reason. The thought of leaving their homes and having nowhere to go is terrifying itself. In addition to the police stopping people in their cars asking for documents. What disturbs me the most, is that police probably stop people that “look” like immigrants this is discrimination.
3. On page 2, passage 8. Where it says that Arthur Orr has stated that “ But outside labor shouldn’t come in and just beat them every time on cost and put them out of business.” At first I didn’t highly understood that because when he was referring to “them” I thought he meant the illegal labor help, but looking at the context before it, it made me realized that he meant something completely different. He actually meant “them” as the local labor pool. The ones who are actually documented and legal enough to look and have jobs. Apparently he’s saying that latinos shouldn’t just come in the place, look for work, apparently taking their jobs that they’re legally to have, and out them out of business and money
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6. I agree with Miguel’s statement in his second response. I believe that the laws are very unjust in the state of Alabama. I also agree with what he says about citizens being treated less because of their standings. This is outrageous that only Citizens can get jobs as opposed to immigrants there. This just means to me that not all states are fair and some people really do make crude decisions without thinking about it. His passage also showed me that we are majorly Latino and in fact we could be next to be hit by a crude law.
ReplyDeleteNarine Medford
1) “By Monday afternoon, 123 students had withdrawn from the schools in this small town in the northern hills, leaving behind teary and confused classmates. Scores more were absent. Statewide, 1,988 Hispanic students were absent on Friday, about 5 percent of the entire Hispanic population of the school system”. This law has scared many Hispanic’s that forced to remove their kids out of school. Many kids lost their friends and move to a new school and find a new place to live which makes it hard on a child. This is significant to me because as a Hispanic a law shouldn’t scare anyone and stop a child from getting an education.
ReplyDeleteI would like to know what caused Judge Blackburn to enforce this law?
ReplyDeleteFreddy Carpio
ReplyDeleteThe quote "the strongest immigration law in this country" really got my attention because it’s true. It really shows how harsh the law has gotten on undocumented people in Alabama. The quote is very significant just for the fact that its affecting so many people. But other than the adults the children that are being left out on an education. Their forced to move out of their school, lose their friends and family. It’s a really harsh law that I believe is unfair and should be revoked.
5. In response to Natalia Arteaga i believe that Blackburn is cruel. I believe that he may be very racist. I also believe that he may be a member of the KKK seeing as how it is a very strong group in Alabama. I believe he is racial and did it out of instict.
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1.In this article a lot that was mentioned attracted my attention. As it was mentioned “whether it will deliver jobs to citizens and protect tax payers as promised or whether it will spell economic disaster as opponents “shows that they’re passing this law for a reason. Basically benefits those only the American citizens because they will be able to take over the jobs that undocumented people had. Or even if it makes the economy a disaster they’re going to do it no matter what. That’s what they’re basically trying to say. This really makes me upset because those people just don’t have any sympathy for those undocumented people who come here for a better life to this “free country”. Who work twice as hard to just bring home some money for their families.
ReplyDelete2.Today, this issue is a big problem around the world. Even though it is , I’m against this “immigration law” because I feel like they’re doing it for a bad reason. It hit me when the author mentioned “it will deliver jobs to American citizens. That shows that they’re just passing this law to get rid of undocumented people so at the end it benefits those that do. I understand it will but you need to look at those who are undocumented, what they’re going through now, what they have to do to be protected, and are just probably in fear.
ReplyDelete3.Never thought a law like this would of actually have been passed. If it did, I always thought to myself there’s a big population of undocumented people so that’s impossible to happen. WRONG! As the article mentioned “Backers of the law acknowledge that it might be disrupted in the short term, but say it will prove effective over time”, so without them U.S.A will get the country to progress. I guess I have to accept the fact that it will help out the U.S.A in some ways. Ways like that it will eventually give more job opportunities for those that are unemployed as U.S citizens
ReplyDelete4.Other than giving more job opportunities to U.S citizens, what else can this immigration law do in the U.S?
ReplyDelete5. I believe Judge Blackburn passed this law unpurpose. He might have done this because he’s racist and has hatred against Hispanics. I believe that because why else would he do this? He’s not going to do it just so the “economy” could get better. What different would it do it this country. Also think he’s cruel because I think he just wanted to basically make them evacuate the state
ReplyDeleteto Natalia Arteaga
6.I agree with Christian with the fact that as a Hispanic a law shouldn’t scare anyone to the point that they stop letting their kids from getting an education. Also, think it’s wrong because by enforcing this law because look it has an effect not only on an adult but on a child as well. I think is cruel to the fact they’re basically being able to evacuate Hispanic that are undocumented. As a American- born citizen with Hispanic parents I would be scared too even though they’re American citizens.
ReplyDelete4. I would like to know if the citizens and “Americans” that are legally living in Alabama does have at least a bit of sympathy for what is happening to the Hispanic community in the state?
ReplyDeleteI agree with Freddy's statement about the quote he found significant. It's really sad seeing how just because someone doesn't have papers they can take everything away from them. I think they should be offered help. I mean there's a reason why these people left their country it was so that they can have a better life. Instead of having a better life, judge Blackburn completely ruined that by enforcing this law, she doesn't have a heart. I know she would've acted different if her family was in the immigrants place.
ReplyDeleteIn response to Miguel's question, I honestly don't think that citizens have any kind of sympathy towards these immigrants because they probably don't care. Since they have their papers they don't feel the need to help others have their papers as well. It's really sad to see how corrupted Americans have become.
ReplyDelete1. Significant quote to me was.. “and the pastor said, adding that while he was let go, a policeman told him he was no longer welcome in Alabama". This is really sad because these are hard workers people that shouldn’t deserve be treated this way, people that work every day to have a roof and money to feed their family. People that work hard to give their children a bright future, it is really heart breaking to see them have to leave what they have built their entire life.
ReplyDelete2. I’m against the subject because what they are trying to do with this law is get rid of undocumented people asking them for immigrations papers when they already know they aren’t legally here and not giving them a chance to defend themselves I think is wrong! The fact that this people have to live with the fear that they can be deported at any time is really sad.
ReplyDelete3. I didn’t understand when it says “it’s going to take some time for the local pool to develop again.” Said state senator Arthur Orr, “but outside labor shouldn’t come in and just beat them every time on cost and put them out of business” I’m guessing by this he is saying that a lot of people that lost their jobs are because of their status here and that they are still unemployed.?
ReplyDelete4. I wonder how Alabama is dealing with this situation and what made them enforce that law?
ReplyDeleteI agree with Miguel Pecho when he states ,"How long will it really take for it to be proven effective? What if it does not work? What if more problems arise with this law?". How would the goverment prove what they are doing would have a positive effect not a negative effect. Are they aware that an economic hardship can develop from the lost of the hispanic population in Alabama. for example many business will shut down.
ReplyDelete3) i am against the law because everyone deserves a chance to make his or her life better . we don't know what they were going through that made them escape from their countries to come to America. so they should be given the right to leave and work and start a family here.
ReplyDeleteDid the "law of immigration have a positive or negative effect on the state of Alabama?
ReplyDeleteThe quote that I find significant is "the lady that gives me a ride to work said he is leaving .she said that she felt like a prisoner". the law of immigration destroyed many of peoples lives including illegal and legal . is this right the way people were getting treated . is it right that people want to leave everything and go because of the way they were getting treated . I think its said because these people left there original homes because they felt like they were in prison. They wanted a better life for them and there children. they didn't want to come to prison they wanted to come to better conditions they came to reach their dreams and goals but after this law . they are still in prison they didn't escape they didn't reach their goal.
ReplyDeleteThe idea i was unfamiliar with is " it's going to take some time for the local pool to develop again". i am confused what does this quote mean? does it mean that more immigrants are going to Alabama? or is does it mean that its going to take a long time for the immigrants to leave Alabama ?
ReplyDeleteagree with Rochi other than giving more jobs to us citizens what did the law do i the us i don't think it honestly did anything besides giving us citizens jobs.
ReplyDelete2. I would gladly say that I agree with the immigration law being enforced. I became aware of it when the article was mentioning the huge amount of people that had withdrawn from schools, jobs, and from the area as well. Also it hindered my evaluation towards the text in an objective way because it’s not fair to the American people that many immigrants can come to this country illegally, with no documents, and take our jobs. Many Americans are jobless and many have kids that need to go to school too. The immigration law should be enforced in all fifty states and we should wipe out all of those illegal alien bastards. As everyone knows there are border patrols all around the United States, so it’s obvious that we don’t want those illegal aliens in our country.
ReplyDelete3. One idea that I was unfamiliar with from the text was when many illegal aliens decided to stay and hide, rather than flee. I was shocked and insulted by that information as well. Those illegal aliens think that the new immigration law will be blocked by the president, judge, or even the government. Immigrants have to know when their defeated, conquered, and not wanted in Alabama. Their better off getting documents, if not, heading back to wherever they came from.
ReplyDeleteHow can we eliminate all illegal aliens in the Untied States?
ReplyDelete6.I disagree with miguel pecho when he says that most hispanics have papers.This is so not true because many hispanics do not have papers and are here illegally. Mostly everyone that gets deported is hispanic and the reason is because they have no papers.If everyone had papers then alabama would have never enforced the immigration law in the first place.Everywhere you go, there should be at least one illegal alien near you.
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ReplyDelete5. In response to Daniela Farfan's question. To how the state of Alabama is dealing with this situation, I think the state is biases towards what they feel with this going on. Half of the citizens might be thinking about how this law can affect their economy and their population, while the other half could might as well don't care about what is happening to the hispanics. They are just glad that they're getting rid of so they can have more jobs for the legal people and Americans there. I think they enforced this law of the fact that they probably don't want the state to be filled and over runned with a lot of latinos
ReplyDeleteTo Armando Menocal. Woops, I apologize for that, thanks for making me realize my mistake. What I meant to say was that most Hispanics aren't legal, not illegal. Didn;t realize that til you responded to me saying that I stated that most hispanics aren't illegal.
ReplyDelete6. I agree with Daniela Farfan on her 2nd response, when she says that the people will have to live and deal with fear, just thinking..wondering, wishing about what to do. How can they escape? What can they do to defend themselves? Just imagine us in that type of situtation, who knows what alot of thoughts would go into our mind?
ReplyDelete1.) A quote that was significant to me was, “All summer long, Allen Stoner, a lawyer in Decatur, has been helping his Hispanic clients fill out forms appointing friends or family members as guardians of their children, who are in many cases American-born citizens.” When reading this text I felt it was a kind thought that this lawyer was helping American –born citizens of illegal parents help look for guardianship instead of simply putting them in foster care. I started thinking that this lawyer made a courageous decision because others might not have made this generous choice. Some people might resent Allen Stoner’s decision to help these children because of the fact that their illegal parents have been on American grounds for a period of time. It is nice to know that there are people who take serious matters into consideration rather than make a quick decision.
ReplyDelete2.) I am against the subject of this article. I don’t think this law is fair whatsoever for any Hispanic in Alabama. If someone is driving why should they need to carry their immigration papers everywhere they go? Those documents are extremely vital. If someone were to lose those papers it would take an incredible amount of time to retrieve those papers again. Even so, in case someone has an emergency, why should they stop and make sure to have their papers as they are leaving; this is wasting time. Although I am an American Citizen I don’t carry my Social Security Card, or my birth certificate everywhere I go. If I were living in Alabama, what would they do to me? I don’t even know if a police officer would stop me because many people are stereotypical and believe Hispanics are one color, shape, and size.
ReplyDelete3.) A part of the text that I did not understand was, “They say that even fully documented Hispanic workers are leaving, an assessment that seems to be borne out in interviews here.” I don’t understand why Hispanics are leaving if they are legal. Its puzzles me because I feel that regardless if you are Hispanic and are documented or undocumented fear is always around in Alabama. I could only imagine how they are feeling knowing that if they stay police officers will continue to check their papers. It is very judgmental to see this act.
ReplyDelete4.) What happens if a police officer asks for documentation to someone who is not Hispanic, yet they do not believe the statement the person is saying about their ethnicity?
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ReplyDeleteWhile reading this article it was quite disturbing how a law was passed that was targeted on a group of people’s situation. Undocumented people now had to show papers if stopped by a police officer for whatever offense. It did bother me and I am against this article and what is going on in Alabama. Its hurting more than just the adults that are their but also affecting the children who must move because of the fear they have of just walking around their neighborhood.
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ReplyDelete5.) In response to Daniela's question the Alabama justice system must be happy to know that their law has had an impact on Hispanic immigrants. They probably are content that less illegal immigrants will be invading their state. Others in the Alabama state must be upset that their friends, and family members have fled the state. Maybe the judge enforced the law because of the large amount of Hispanics in Alabama.
ReplyDeleteWhat surprised me in the text was after this law was passed many people actually decided to leave Alabama. regardless of their children and studies they just got their stuff sold their homes and businesses and went to a new state.The ideas of people is to keep their families protected and if they have to give everything up they will. And that's exactly what they did throughout this article.
ReplyDeleteHow will the children react to these news?
ReplyDeleteMiguel's question about sympathy between Americans and immigrants is hard to really know. But in class we discussed this and their were people that were in favor of the law but also other people that weren't. They had much sympathy towards the immigrants and thought it was unfair. i personally believe its unfair and have sympathy for these unlucky people. So to answer his question yes their will be people who have sympathy for others.
ReplyDeleteNatalia Arteaga idea about people with documents are also leaving is disturbing. And they are prob leaving because they live in fear that their is discrimination and their children could be exposed to it. no one wants to live in an environmental where their kind is not welcome. This is what the law is saying these type of people are not welcome and every one will b offended by it not just the the undocumented ones.
ReplyDelete1) "I am afraid to drive to church."
ReplyDeleteThis quote is significant to me because I can imagine how that must feel,to be afraid
to go out. I would feel like I am in prison.
I really feel sorry for the people who have to live with these laws.
2) The biases i have against the subject
Is that We still have racist laws like this one.
I understad when you are ilegal you dont have the rights but i believe this is going to far.
I became aware of it after reading this article
In class.
3) the ideas i was unfamiliar with were the new laws of alabama of taking the latinos out of the state.
4) Do you think is good what the state is doing to the latino people ?
1) I found more significant when the this text stated “123 students had withdrawn from schools”, this was one of the effects the law caused. This law enforced “schools to ascertain the immigration statues of children registration time”. However, many Hispanic families were not taking any risks, they found it too dangerous for their children to stay in school, and get reported. As well their entire family who are not legal, this was not fare for those students they had no choice but to agree with their parents. This law cause those students to fall behind their learning, and brain development.
ReplyDelete2) The article was based on a new law that was first released in Alabama. Ever since I head about this new law in the news, I was against it because “the law allow the state and local police to ask immigration papers during routine traffics stops”. This is not fare, how can policemen ask random people for papers without any warning, and if the person does not have them, they go straight to jail. I’ m a US citizen who believes in justice in this county, but this law has no justice for Hispanics nor for this country. This country is known for great opportunities, and that is why many people from other countries come to take advantage of those opportunities.
3) I was not familiar with the statement that“ children get transfer to child services”. I was outraged when I read this piece of information in the article. How can the government let this happen? Children are meant to stay with their parents where ever they go. If illegal parents get reported and sent to go back to their country, thy be allow to take their “American-bore citizen” children with them if they chose. Not leaving them with other family members or strangers.
4) Will this law really help improve the economy or will it make it worse?
5) Based on Rochi Borbon question, this law has no positive effects for this country. Even if the US citizens decide to get those jobs, it won’t have any other effects.
6) I agree with Freddy, this whole article about the law in Alabama is just nonsense. This law should had never been approved, it effects Hispanics and children. I’m against this law, it’s not fare for those undocumented people be stopped by the police asking for papers out of no where, with no warning.